super_kelser
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Touche, but last I heard, BNP weren't running around stock piling guns etc.
Touche, but last I heard, BNP weren't running around stock piling guns etc.
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AlexisInfectious®
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WelcometoSparta
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ahaha.. yeah there is that. But seems most of them can't keep them out of pawn long enough to put them to any real use.
ahaha.. yeah there is that. But seems most of them can't keep them out of pawn long enough to put them to any real use.
Dancingforhope32
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You mean something like a... militia?
I'm going to have to see some proof on that before i believe a political party is putting up his own Sturmabteilung.
Nevertheless i find it hilarious that there are militias and "tea parties" falling over each other to fight "government takeovers" and/or "socialism" but nobody seemed to bat an eyelid over the PATRIOT act.
Wonder what they'll think when they hear that Obama authorized an assassination of an US citizen.
You mean something like a... militia?
I'm going to have to see some proof on that before i believe a political party is putting up his own Sturmabteilung.
Nevertheless i find it hilarious that there are militias and "tea parties" falling over each other to fight "government takeovers" and/or "socialism" but nobody seemed to bat an eyelid over the PATRIOT act.
Wonder what they'll think when they hear that Obama authorized an assassination of an US citizen.
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And for some unfortunate reason, many of them seem to reside in Michigan. It would seem that most of these people are living in their own fantasy world and would be laughed off if it was not for their propensity to collect and play with firearms. What is frightening is that there are a lot of people who have a similar mind set but don't have the same camo fashion sense and they are allowed to vote and procreate.
And for some unfortunate reason, many of them seem to reside in Michigan. It would seem that most of these people are living in their own fantasy world and would be laughed off if it was not for their propensity to collect and play with firearms. What is frightening is that there are a lot of people who have a similar mind set but don't have the same camo fashion sense and they are allowed to vote and procreate.
"American Militia"
FEAR FEAR FEAR, HATE HATE HATE. Yup it's the manipulation of the masses by the media again kids. Militias are about as much threat to the US as Al queda. Seriously people the biggest threat to US is itself. It has began to dismantle it's checks and balances system without any real reason. Why is it doing this, well simply because it has lost confidence in it's own place in the world. The leaders of itself commerical empire have just betrayed the state. They allowed some minor people with plastic knives to destroy one of it's symbols of power. American leaders need to stop allowing the mob to rule and start taking rational decisions again. The level of irrational thought displayed in the health bill demonstrates how bad the situation has become. America is tearing itself apart simply because it has run out of culture captial to bind itself together. Militia and bogey men are a distraction from the real problem.
The Bear.
FEAR FEAR FEAR, HATE HATE HATE. Yup it's the manipulation of the masses by the media again kids. Militias are about as much threat to the US as Al queda. Seriously people the biggest threat to US is itself. It has began to dismantle it's checks and balances system without any real reason. Why is it doing this, well simply because it has lost confidence in it's own place in the world. The leaders of itself commerical empire have just betrayed the state. They allowed some minor people with plastic knives to destroy one of it's symbols of power. American leaders need to stop allowing the mob to rule and start taking rational decisions again. The level of irrational thought displayed in the health bill demonstrates how bad the situation has become. America is tearing itself apart simply because it has run out of culture captial to bind itself together. Militia and bogey men are a distraction from the real problem.
The Bear.
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Number of things going on here:
Marcus Brigstocke- VERY FUNNY
Anarchy-
My personal favourite, number 5.
Guns- bad
Extremism- bad
Violence- bad
Diversity- good
Cake- good
Being polite- overrated
Potatoes- the best
I'm off now to put on my white hat
Number of things going on here:
Marcus Brigstocke- VERY FUNNY
Anarchy-
My personal favourite, number 5.
Guns- bad
Extremism- bad
Violence- bad
Diversity- good
Cake- good
Being polite- overrated
Potatoes- the best
I'm off now to put on my white hat
"American Militia"
Sure thing go here; Obama Just Got his Private Army it highlights some of the sections of the Healthcare bill, there is also something in there about college loans.
Ok what experiences do you have with the militia..? Bear in mind there is the militia in general definition such as civilian militant force and their is a militia movement. Also bear in mind many militant groups are not part of the Militia movement and that many civil rights groups fit the general term of being a militia but not part of the militia movement.
Also bear in mind the Hutaree militia which someone refered to as nutters was called by their state government to assist police in searching for missing persons shortly before this happened.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/
Well the militia movement died down a bit after the 90s becase after OK Bombing and the MSM pushing the McViegh connection to the Ohio Militia; he showed up to one meeting anf got banned. When Bush pushed the Patriot Act these groups started coming back in full swing and they did have objections to it. Bush 2.0 didn't give them a second thought & being pro-gun was basicly fine with armed groups in the us hell 1/4 of country is armed legally and 3/4 illegally. Someone did try to assassinate Bush a few times but Bush didn't make a big media show out of it.
I'd wager Al-Queda is a much bigger threat to the us then some Americans with rifles after all lil timmy was a CIA asset. Osama ben Laden's CIA code name was Timothy Ozman infact his handler helped to write the book Ghost Wars, were he descusses how the US military has killed their own people to blame others and start stuff in other nations. Course every nation does it its not a big deal that we do it, its a big deal how common it is.
The problem is almost all (I'd say all but I can't prove it) politicians are so engrossed the problem they are the problem. As a rule governments cause more problems then they create, big or small.
Sure thing go here; Obama Just Got his Private Army it highlights some of the sections of the Healthcare bill, there is also something in there about college loans.
Ok what experiences do you have with the militia..? Bear in mind there is the militia in general definition such as civilian militant force and their is a militia movement. Also bear in mind many militant groups are not part of the Militia movement and that many civil rights groups fit the general term of being a militia but not part of the militia movement.
Also bear in mind the Hutaree militia which someone refered to as nutters was called by their state government to assist police in searching for missing persons shortly before this happened.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/
Well the militia movement died down a bit after the 90s becase after OK Bombing and the MSM pushing the McViegh connection to the Ohio Militia; he showed up to one meeting anf got banned. When Bush pushed the Patriot Act these groups started coming back in full swing and they did have objections to it. Bush 2.0 didn't give them a second thought & being pro-gun was basicly fine with armed groups in the us hell 1/4 of country is armed legally and 3/4 illegally. Someone did try to assassinate Bush a few times but Bush didn't make a big media show out of it.
I'd wager Al-Queda is a much bigger threat to the us then some Americans with rifles after all lil timmy was a CIA asset. Osama ben Laden's CIA code name was Timothy Ozman infact his handler helped to write the book Ghost Wars, were he descusses how the US military has killed their own people to blame others and start stuff in other nations. Course every nation does it its not a big deal that we do it, its a big deal how common it is.
The problem is almost all (I'd say all but I can't prove it) politicians are so engrossed the problem they are the problem. As a rule governments cause more problems then they create, big or small.
hfsrduiurfdlrejbvsfd
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Ah, so you're a wingnut, why didn't you say so, I wouldn't have wasted so much time trying to decipher your posts had I known sooner.
Ah, so you're a wingnut, why didn't you say so, I wouldn't have wasted so much time trying to decipher your posts had I known sooner.
reesescupsweetheart
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Hahaha, literally a ten minutes of google-fu reveals that the "Healthstapo" (which is a name that had me absolutely rolling with laughter) has existed since 1964, when Lyndon b. Johnson created the Ready Reserve Corps via an executive order to support the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps in disaster relief and other situations when the extra manpower is needed.
What the new bill did was to apparently amend the section already existing in the law to increase it's funding.
But then again i really can't contend with people using terms like "Healthstapo" because that kind of insanity is probably contagious
VVV Holyhead, attack the points, not the person. We're heading into a poop typhoon if people just keep flaming each other randomly
Hahaha, literally a ten minutes of google-fu reveals that the "Healthstapo" (which is a name that had me absolutely rolling with laughter) has existed since 1964, when Lyndon b. Johnson created the Ready Reserve Corps via an executive order to support the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps in disaster relief and other situations when the extra manpower is needed.
What the new bill did was to apparently amend the section already existing in the law to increase it's funding.
But then again i really can't contend with people using terms like "Healthstapo" because that kind of insanity is probably contagious
VVV Holyhead, attack the points, not the person. We're heading into a poop typhoon if people just keep flaming each other randomly
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Oh God, you're not one of those 'healthcare reform is unconstitutional' people are you?
Oh God, you're not one of those 'healthcare reform is unconstitutional' people are you?
Well let point out that among the additions;
•Sec. 5201. Federally supported student loan funds.
•Sec. 5206. Grants for State and local programs.
•Sec. 5209. Elimination of cap on commissioned corps.
•Sec. 5210. Establishing a Ready Reserve Corps.
Is completely seperate from the commissioned corps which as you pointed out has been around since 1964.
Furthermore, from the so called Patient Protection Affordable Care Actspecifically SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Now notice that big world in red, bold and underlined that says establishing..?
Well I believe that healthcare reform could be fixed with repealing some of the 1930s puritan laws on over the counter drugs & I believe that health care bill is a direct violation of the 10th Amendment, especially that clauses which forces me to buy (well I'm exempt as a veteran) private health insurence or be fined & doesn't avoid the laws which which can cause someone to be arrested for not paying a fine. I think we need healthcare reform but I think the way we are going isn't the way to do it. Course I'm not planning to shoot anyone or blow anything up, I simply believe in rules as written...
I also don't believe Obama is the cause of the problem, I think he's just another cog in the machine it goes back decades...
•Sec. 5201. Federally supported student loan funds.
•Sec. 5206. Grants for State and local programs.
•Sec. 5209. Elimination of cap on commissioned corps.
•Sec. 5210. Establishing a Ready Reserve Corps.
Is completely seperate from the commissioned corps which as you pointed out has been around since 1964.
Furthermore, from the so called Patient Protection Affordable Care Actspecifically SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Now notice that big world in red, bold and underlined that says establishing..?
Well I believe that healthcare reform could be fixed with repealing some of the 1930s puritan laws on over the counter drugs & I believe that health care bill is a direct violation of the 10th Amendment, especially that clauses which forces me to buy (well I'm exempt as a veteran) private health insurence or be fined & doesn't avoid the laws which which can cause someone to be arrested for not paying a fine. I think we need healthcare reform but I think the way we are going isn't the way to do it. Course I'm not planning to shoot anyone or blow anything up, I simply believe in rules as written...
I also don't believe Obama is the cause of the problem, I think he's just another cog in the machine it goes back decades...
razzmatazz64
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Counterpoint:
Here's the thing it amends in case you forgot.
There's a whole lot of actual issues you could be raging against in the reform bill (Namely the complete lack of regulation on insurance prices), you don't need to make up windmills to fight.
Counterpoint:
Here's the thing it amends in case you forgot.
There's a whole lot of actual issues you could be raging against in the reform bill (Namely the complete lack of regulation on insurance prices), you don't need to make up windmills to fight.
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Most (not aware of any who disagree) constitutional scholars have shrugged off every suggestion that the law would violate the constitution.
I doubt anyone believes that this bill is the best solution - but since no one can agree on what the best solution is, a flawed bill that is a big step in the right direction is preferable to no bill at all.
Most (not aware of any who disagree) constitutional scholars have shrugged off every suggestion that the law would violate the constitution.
I doubt anyone believes that this bill is the best solution - but since no one can agree on what the best solution is, a flawed bill that is a big step in the right direction is preferable to no bill at all.
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I don't really know anything about the detail of health care reforms in the US. However if it is the case that privet citizens will be "forced" to buy "privet health care" rather than receiving "state health care provision" funded by an apportioned tax, then I can understand why people are upset and looking for a way out.
I don't think badly drawn up legislation is better than no legislation at all. Bad legislation often benefits the few, the least in need of legal protection, while sometimes allowing the majority and most in need of legal protection to believe certain provisions exist in law that in fact don't exist at all. However the worst aspect of bad or flawed legislation is that it is often very difficult to remove or change for the better. Which means generations of people may be stuck with that bad or flawed law.
Frankly I think it's a terrible error of judgement to accept bad laws just for the sake of having something written down. The idea of "something is better than nothing" frankly allows a government off the hook. It allows a government to give up the fight for better conditions for normal ordinary folk. While at the same time allowing them to claim the exact opposite.
If anything the healthcare reform efforts of Obamas' administration ought to set the alarm bells ringing. The whole process, going by what I've seen in the news, seems to have been hampered by the lobbying power of the very wealthy companies currently providing healthcare in the US. If there is anything that needs to be reformed in the US. It's the impact these professional lobby groups can have on government policy.
Frankly observing from the outside the lobby groups would seem to be more powerful than the government. Which means the privet corporations are the ones who are actually steering government policy in the US. Which in turn means US democracy is near pointless. It really quite literally almost doesn't matter who the president of the United States of America is. The end result will likely be the same.
I don't really know anything about the detail of health care reforms in the US. However if it is the case that privet citizens will be "forced" to buy "privet health care" rather than receiving "state health care provision" funded by an apportioned tax, then I can understand why people are upset and looking for a way out.
I don't think badly drawn up legislation is better than no legislation at all. Bad legislation often benefits the few, the least in need of legal protection, while sometimes allowing the majority and most in need of legal protection to believe certain provisions exist in law that in fact don't exist at all. However the worst aspect of bad or flawed legislation is that it is often very difficult to remove or change for the better. Which means generations of people may be stuck with that bad or flawed law.
Frankly I think it's a terrible error of judgement to accept bad laws just for the sake of having something written down. The idea of "something is better than nothing" frankly allows a government off the hook. It allows a government to give up the fight for better conditions for normal ordinary folk. While at the same time allowing them to claim the exact opposite.
If anything the healthcare reform efforts of Obamas' administration ought to set the alarm bells ringing. The whole process, going by what I've seen in the news, seems to have been hampered by the lobbying power of the very wealthy companies currently providing healthcare in the US. If there is anything that needs to be reformed in the US. It's the impact these professional lobby groups can have on government policy.
Frankly observing from the outside the lobby groups would seem to be more powerful than the government. Which means the privet corporations are the ones who are actually steering government policy in the US. Which in turn means US democracy is near pointless. It really quite literally almost doesn't matter who the president of the United States of America is. The end result will likely be the same.
JustinKnapplDrummer
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There is a difference between bad legislation and less-than-perfect legislation. The bill will stop a lot of the blatant malpractice by insurance companies that was permitted under the old system - the republicans were opposed to it because many of them are being paid off by those insurance companies.
In most countries, we would call that corruption, but in America they call it freedom.
There is a difference between bad legislation and less-than-perfect legislation. The bill will stop a lot of the blatant malpractice by insurance companies that was permitted under the old system - the republicans were opposed to it because many of them are being paid off by those insurance companies.
In most countries, we would call that corruption, but in America they call it freedom.