ZombieBoromir
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Worshiped? Jesus doesn't want anyone to worship him.
Doesn't this say a lot already that Jesus Christ should not be worshiped as
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JamieMuslimrevert
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an idol and God? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsb2pMzwmdI
It is a clear cut warning from Allah and a lesson to be learned.
It is a clear cut warning from Allah and a lesson to be learned.
DrDeanCrosby
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Unless the Savior is worshiped,the Holy Spirit will not enter people's lives and they will not receive salvation:
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Deusfictus
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The moon god has never talked to anyone -other then those with psychosis
WanderingStranger
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LOL, youtube.
SupaStarReturnst
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I don't go to level 1 links.
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And I saw a man flying across the sky over the city. He had a red cape with an "S" emblazoned on it. I KNOW it was true, because I saw it on youtube!
Honestly? You expect people to click on a URL?
Let me point out the stupidity (oops - I meant fallacy) of your nonsense!
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.
Jesus said "I am Truth." Was Jesus telling the truth when He said that? Or was He a liar?
Furthermore, He said that the only way you can know God is through Him.
Jesus said there is none good but God, then He told someone that He is the Good Shepherd, claiming to be good!
Jesus said that He did ONLY what He saw His Father in heaven do. (No man has seen God at any time, yet Jesus SEES God and copies His behaviors, so Jesus must be something MORE than a mere man, since no MAN has seen God.) He KNEW God. He even said that He came from the very HEART of God, so He could say objectively, "When you've seen ME, you've seen the Father."
Jesus said "I am Life", and again, "I am the bread of Life that has come down from My Father in heaven to give Life.", and again, "I am the water of life. Whoever is thirsty, come to me, and out of his inner-most being shall flow rivers of living waters", and finally, "I am the Resurrection and the Life. If any man believe in me, though he may die, yet shall he live again."
He said, "When you've seen me, you've seen the Father."
He said, "You already believe in God, now believe in me."
Jesus prayed, “Father, I have glorified your name here on earth, now I ask that you would give me back the glory I had with you before the world was ever created.”
In his famous book “Mere Christianity”, C. S. Lewis makes the following observation: "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a mad man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."
What you have here is called a "Fallacy of False Assumptions" that states that in logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.
Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.
Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.
Now if you have some REAL proof that the Bible is wrong, please present it. But just saying that it's wrong because the Koran says so is also circular reasoning. You are using the koran to disprove the Bible because the koran says that the koran is right, and you're starting with your conclusion by starting with the assumption that the Bible is wrong. But when you start with your conclusion, you end up right where you started, and you have gone nowhere, and proven nothing.
Honestly? You expect people to click on a URL?
Let me point out the stupidity (oops - I meant fallacy) of your nonsense!
Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.
Jesus said "I am Truth." Was Jesus telling the truth when He said that? Or was He a liar?
Furthermore, He said that the only way you can know God is through Him.
Jesus said there is none good but God, then He told someone that He is the Good Shepherd, claiming to be good!
Jesus said that He did ONLY what He saw His Father in heaven do. (No man has seen God at any time, yet Jesus SEES God and copies His behaviors, so Jesus must be something MORE than a mere man, since no MAN has seen God.) He KNEW God. He even said that He came from the very HEART of God, so He could say objectively, "When you've seen ME, you've seen the Father."
Jesus said "I am Life", and again, "I am the bread of Life that has come down from My Father in heaven to give Life.", and again, "I am the water of life. Whoever is thirsty, come to me, and out of his inner-most being shall flow rivers of living waters", and finally, "I am the Resurrection and the Life. If any man believe in me, though he may die, yet shall he live again."
He said, "When you've seen me, you've seen the Father."
He said, "You already believe in God, now believe in me."
Jesus prayed, “Father, I have glorified your name here on earth, now I ask that you would give me back the glory I had with you before the world was ever created.”
In his famous book “Mere Christianity”, C. S. Lewis makes the following observation: "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a mad man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."
What you have here is called a "Fallacy of False Assumptions" that states that in logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.
Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.
Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible.
Now if you have some REAL proof that the Bible is wrong, please present it. But just saying that it's wrong because the Koran says so is also circular reasoning. You are using the koran to disprove the Bible because the koran says that the koran is right, and you're starting with your conclusion by starting with the assumption that the Bible is wrong. But when you start with your conclusion, you end up right where you started, and you have gone nowhere, and proven nothing.