non religious people, if science trumps religion then...?

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Science can explain that which can be measured.

Spirituality by its nature isn't measurable by scientific means. That is why we have faith.

Science only trumps religion in the area of science. Science is not a substitution for spirituality. They belong in different realms.

Ask me how evolution works- The scientific answer will trump the religious every time.

Ask me what the meaning of life is or what is honest or what is the soul and where does it go when we die- Science is lost and religions wins every time.

I want doctors, architects, engineers, science teachers, etc to understand science.

I want clergy to understand faith and spirituality.
 
To go with religion you must first, decide that God exist, then second, understand his proper character and attributes to be able to have faith in him. If God is really this ethereal, omniscient, omnipresent, blob, bodiless With three Gods, but one...well I would not believe in that either.
 
Huh?

Just study psychology and history. It shows religions/creation myths all came from early man and their superstitions, 'weather' gods, animism, ancestor worship etc. Every 'new' religion is a confection of previous ones in that geographical region. The way in which religion spreads is well-documented and researched. There is nothing 'divine' about it.

Why would you use mathematics to prove that King George was mad, or that leprechauns aren't real?
 
use science to tell me which viewpoint is correct. Are atheists correct, or Christians, or Islam. Somebody has to be right, so lets set up a scientific experiment with parameters and variables and lets proceed. Somebody tell me how to start. Or lets set up a math formula and follow it. Surly we have a math formula we can use to get probabilities.

Could it be that SOME atheists claim to have a lock on the "science" argument, but cannot use it to prove something so simple as what religion is correct? I mean there are websites saying: God is imaginary, so lets begin. We can even throw in evolution and geology, but lets go do the math or set up the experiment, since science and math is the perfect structure to tackle such easy things, and then we will all know for sure. It will be wonderful!!
 
Technically speaking the person making the claim is the person who claims that something exists, not the person who claims that there isn't any evidence to support a belief in that thing. The default scientific perspective is skepticism.

the burden of proof lies on the theists, not the atheists.

I welcome your experiments and eagerly await your proof.
 
I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. - Douglas Adams
 
Nobody *has* to be right because nobody knows for sure. we don't know if there is or isn't a god. science currently cannot explain everything, and faith explains nothing.
 
well you fail at the begining by saying either atheist christians or islam have to be right none of them have to be right i believe in a god not the christian one my own because i dont think the bible is right but am i right i believe i am but i dont know i am the only way to know is after death but i believe god used science to build us i dont think he picked up some dirt and made man it HAS to be more complicating than that i believe in evolution and the big bang and that god did it am i right again i dont know but i believe i am that is what it is all about what you believe it is are you right who knows we will find out one day
 
many elements were crunched together in outerspace and due to something called a reaction they all fired up and exploded. Just like if you add water to sulphur you get an explosion. There is no god making things blow up...its called a chemical reaction

Then when the earth started the ozone layer had not been created yet so everything started out as a fish, no plants. Then as time went by the ozone was created and now plants could begin without being fried by ultra violet light. Then the animals started to adapt from fish to amphibians because they could now go on land without being completly abliterated. These amphibians lived only by the shore.

Over a thousand years more mutations in the genetic code called double helix aka dna. Amphibians started getting tougher skin to hold water in and they could live away from water. These are called reptiles. This process continued until humns soon were evolved after many genetic mutations.

All of this happed over millions of years.

Which is believeable? humans being formed after a million years of evolution

OR

"God snapped his finger and adam was created within a few seconds"
 
atheists are not making the hypothesis that god is real you cannot prove a negative. the onus of proof is on the theist making the claim not atheists
 
What? You can not use science to prove or disprove the unknowable... You can only have a scientific experiment when you have measurable empirical evidence. Your "Experiment" makes about as much sense as saying we should use math and science to find out just how much gold in in a Leprechauns pot. First you have to find one, and only then can you measure it.
 
Pastafarians are correct, actually.

Because as the number of pirates decreases, the global temperature increases. It's an inarguable fact.
 
No atheists have a "lock" on science. They just realize that scientific claims, theories, and evidence make far more sense than illogical stories and prophecies.
 
Science is not guaranteed to answer all questions.

Some issues are not amenable to scientific inquiry. Religion is slippery and it's hard to get traction. Here's an example of an experiment in religion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUj8hg5CoSw

But religious people change the rules, making experiment impossible:

http://godisimaginary.com/excuses.htm

Science does have something to say about some aspects of religion: the story of Genesis is definitely wrong, except in some poetic, metaphorical sense.
 
Science doesn't "trump religion". It has nothing whatsoever to do with it. The only way they overlap is that science can tell us that religious creation myths are wrong.
 
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