I'm looking for a laid back, thoughtful place to discuss ideas of politics and economics. Ideally an online forum that is well established, but not so busy as to be crowded and difficult.

I'm definitely not interested in typical irrational partisan discussions. In fact, I'm not so much interested in modern politics, even. What I'm looking for is much more general, anywhere from Plato's Republic to the French Revolution.

Any suggestions?

If I wasn't clear, say so, and I'll try to clarify what I mean.

Hah, yeah, I noticed that too, Robinson. Maybe this is a bad time to ask this question... of course, if it's not election season, I'm sure there will always be somethings else to rant about.

Sorry, I'm ranting.