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    Lightbulb On Transparency and credibility of factual facts

    For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.



    Matthew 5:18
    The Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
    came to complete the law of the ancient prophets
    Without decrease or increase
    So the Old Testament cannot be repealed




    Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]



    Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
    Maybe

    The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
    A lot of manuscripts




    A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
    How did this happen?



    Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick.

    None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.[7]/[8] The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
    No wonder they differ




    In the best of hands, copying errors would be no surprise. However, New Testament manuscripts were not in the best of hands. During the period of Christian origins, scribes were untrained, unreliable, incompetent, and in some cases illiterate.[9] Those who were visually impaired could have made errors with look-alike letters and words, while those who were hearing-impaired may have erred in recording scripture as it was read aloud. Frequently scribes were overworked, and hence inclined to the errors that accompany fatigue.



    In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.”[10] Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture.[11] As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.”[12] More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.”[13] And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism—which I retain for its significant ironies—these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”[14]



    Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses.[15] [16] In fact, “numerous changes and accretions came into the text,”[17] with the result that “all known witnesses of the New Testament are to a greater or lesser extent mixed texts, and even several of the earliest manuscripts are not free from egregious errors.”[18]



    In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.[19] Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”[20]



    In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.[22]
    Forged books? In the Bible?



    Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous.[23] Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.”[24] Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”[25]



    So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t make either list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.

    Why?



    Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
    Umm … because he was dead?




    Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”[26] [27] Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.[28] However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE.[29] So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples




    New Testament of the Bible regarding Jesus by Yusha ...

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    هندوسية تدخل الإٍسلام بعد سؤال مترجم A hindu woman is accepting Islam

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    مسيحي يعتنق الإسلام في حوار مع عباس ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffnVBNMAlOc

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    Biblical absurdities about the prophets

    the absurdities attributed to the prophets and pious men found in the "holy" bible. As a Muslim, we do not recognize this nonsense. The prophets, peace be upon them, are innocent of this gossip.

    When we read the Bible, as Muslims, we come across certain absurdities such as the prophet Lot (as) who allegedly slept with his two daughters under the influence of alcohol ,

    or David (as) who would have committed adultery with Uri's wife and would have had her husband killed in order to marry her then,

    Aaron (as) who would have made the idol of the golden calf which perverts the sons of Israel, Solomon (as) his polytheistic life because of his wives, etc. May God preserve us from saying such nonsense about the best men who walked this earth.

    Now let's see another absurdity attributed to the prophet Noah (as).

    The tragic episode of Noah's nudity

    We read in Genesis chapter 9, 22-23 this:

    “Noah, first a farmer planted a vineyard. He drank of his wine and got drunk, and lay naked in the midst of his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

    The first thing that shocks here is seeing the prophet Noah (as) getting drunk to the point of undressing while remaining naked “in the middle of his tent”. Besides this absurdity attributed to this noble prophet, there is another ...

    What to say after all this? Not much. Christians who attempt to refute the Jewish comments should be very careful because Jesus (as) allegedly said: “ 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    Matthew 23, 2-3).

    That is, the Jews are the best able to understand their scriptures. Not to mention that they consider that the Talmud contains part of the oral Torah which was revealed to Moses (as) on Mount Sinai ... It is therefore a revelation for them.


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    أحمد ديدات -- عتاد الجهاد -- كينيا -- مترجم

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or7yo5tj40Y



    رسالة مؤثرة من بريطاني على فراش الموت اعتنق الإسلام

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSH5uaJYkmY&t=1s

    MMA Fighter Willi Ott Converts to Islam - بطل الفنون القتالية الألماني ويلي أوت يعتنق الإسلام

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk0OQzK2fJ4

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    The souls of the prophets in the Paradise, and with them are the souls of the martyrs and the righteous who died from our nation and previous nations as well. As for the bodies, they are all on earth, including the bodies of the prophets,

    And that the first person to enter Paradise will be blessed with his soul and body, our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

    Jesus, peace be upon him, (with his body and soul) is in one of the seven heavens, not in the Paradise


    The Prophet Moses, peace be upon him, was mentioned several times in the Qur’an
    More than the Prophet Muhammad and the Prophet Jesus Christ, peace be upon them
    Islam does not differentiate between the prophets, they are all brothers, and one message is that God is one, not three, and not a human being

    If the criterion for the differentiation in the Noble Qur’an was the number of times the name “knowledge” was mentioned, then “Satan” would have been higher than many of the prophets, as the number of times this name
    appeared close to seventy times, which exceeds the number of times that of names Some messengers and prophets!

    الخبير الإسلامي شمسي يشرح لملحد بالانجليزية وفي النهاية يكتشف شيئأ
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    يلعبون علينا_ شيخ وهاشم مع يهود Speaker's corner


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    الداعيه منصور ينهي حواره مع مبشر مسيحي بسبب عدم تركيزة
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXoAqYyOZM

    توقف عن التكبر! - محمد حجاب ونصراني معقد Speaker's corner
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96EIlGlfFig

    امرأة ثملة تنفعل وتشتم ثم تركل الكاميرا خلال حوار لمنصور

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    Previous prophets were sent to a particular group of people and their message was supposed to be followed for a particular time period. Since previous revelations were time-bound, God did not preserve them Himself.

    the Quran cannot be compared with the previous Scriptures. The Quran is unique in many aspects. It is the final revelation to mankind. Previous scriptures were sent to their respective people only. The Quran is universal.

    So God promised to protect the Quran

    God says in the Qur’an
    (9) Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be its guardian.




    Muslims accept the original unaltered Torah (as revealed to Prophet Moses, peace be upon him). Muslims also accept the original unaltered Bible (as revealed to Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him). These original scriptures were revealed by God (Allah).

    none of these scriptures exist today in their original form or in their entirety.


    فتيات يهوديات يضحكن سعداء جدا! محمد حجاب ويهوديات - ركن المتحدثين
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    رأيت يسوع في أسبانيا_ شمسي في حوار مع مسيحي
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYE27mDxzaY

    ملاكم أمريكي- لهذه الأسباب أحترم الإسلام

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHTtMLQjo-Q

    رجع الي بلادك يا منصور، وانت أتيت متي؟ عنصر-ي مت-طرف
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    عراك ايراني قوي يفسد نقاش لطيف - منصور مع بريطاني Speaker's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkYXJ0P1-Jc


    الخبير شمسي بشئون المسيحيين واليهود يفتح عقولهم لكتبهم

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    The calendar year of Islam begins not with the birthday of our prophet (peace be on him), not from the time that the revelation came to him (Bethat) nor from the time of his ascension to heaven, but with the migration (Hijra) from an undesirable environment into a desirable place to fulfill Allah's command. It was migration from a plot that was set by the leaders of the Quraysh who were plotting to kill prophet Muhammad, and to destroy the truth that today is being conveyed to mankind everywhere against tyranny and injustice. Their purpose was to destroy the foundation of the Islamic state, the Sunnah of the tradition of the prophet, and to prevent the revelation being delivered by Allah's messenger to mankind.


    The Islamic calendar is reckoned from the time of migration (Hijra) of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. The Prophet's decision to migrate from Mecca came after several years of inhuman treatment of the faithful by the powerful tribes who were united despite all their feuds to stop the spread of Islam.

    Prophet Mohammad's decision to leave Mecca coincided with the infidel's plan to assassinate him. In 622 AD, the Quresh tribesmen held a meeting and decided that a band of young men, one from each tribe, should assassinate Prophet Mohammad collectively so that their responsibility for the murder could not be placed on any particular tribe.

    On the eventful night, the Prophet asked his cousin Ali Ben Abutalib to take his place in bed to make the Meccans think that he was asleep. The Prophet himself slipped out unobserved alongwith his loyal follower Abu Bakr (who was chosen as the first C aliph after the death of the prophet). They secretly made their way to a cave named Thawr, not far from Mecca and lay in hiding there for a day or two until Abu Bakr's son reported that the search for him had been given up. Then the two set out from Madina on camel back. They reached Quba, on the edge of the Madina oasis, on 12th Rabiul Awwal. With Mohammad's arrival in Quba a new phase of his career and glory of Islam started.

    This migration has a special significance in the history of Islam. It ended the Meccan period of humiliation and torture and began the era of success. His own people to whom he preached Islam for 13 years neglected the Prophet of Islam. But he was cordially received in Madina as an honored chief.

    In Madina his power enhanced day by day. Here he was not only the religious leader but took the role of a politician and statesman too. Prophet Mohammad expired ten years after his migration to Madina but only in one decade he changed the course of human history.

    In view of this special significance of the Prophet's migration the consultative body advised the Second Islamic Caliph, Omar ben Khattab, to start the Islamic year from the date of migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Madina.

    According to early Moslem scholars, Abu Musa Al Shari drew attention of Omar to an improperly dated debenture or IOU which was payable in the month of Shaban but it was not clear which Shaban was actually meant, the present one or the coming one. Omar called the dignitaries for consultation who made several suggestions to begin the Islamic calendar.

    Ali (who later became the fourth caliph) suggested the Hijra as the beginning of the Islamic year with Moharram as its first month. Consequently, Caliph Omar in 21 A.H. or 641 A.D introduced the Islamic calendar in its present form.

    QURANIC GUIDANCE

    The guidance about the Islamic calendar is taken from the following verses from the Holy Quran: (In the name of GOD most gracious and most merciful)

    "Lo the number of the months with God is twelve months." IX:36.

    "They ask thee, of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage." II:189.

    "He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." X:5

    The Islamic Calendar of 12 Lunar Months is determined by observation of the new moon with no effort by intercalation (addition) or other means to synchronize the Lunar year with the Solar year.
    Hijra of the Prophet Muhammad SAWS By Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebwAAyMfh8
    Al-Hijrah: A migration that changed history | VRIC Conversations

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigdilsVOs4
    اللقاحات مؤامرة صه.يونية - منصور في حوار مع زائرين
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    رسالة إلى طاعنين في الإسلام من المرتدين و غيرهم من الأخ شمسي وفقه الله
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSpnMmU9Ls


    مسيحيون يناظرون بعضهم وهاشم يضحك ثم يرد عليهم
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    إنه محرف !! - منصور في حوار مع مسيحي
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    we can say that polygamy is allowed in the Old Testament, that countless Prophets and pious men practiced it. If the ban had been a divine ordinance, then it is astonishing that the most prestigious of men in the Bible practiced it.
    The teachings of Christ also do not argue for the prohibition of polygamy, even if the Church does not teach it. There is no text in the New Testament that would ban this practice. Paul restricted monogamous marriage only to bishops.



    “Gideon had seventy sons from him, for he had many wives. His concubine, who was in Shechem, also bore him a son, whose name was called Abimelech. "(Judges 8,30-31

    In Western society, it is common for a man to have mistresses and / or several extra-marital affairs. In these cases, the woman involved leads a dishonorable and unstable life. Ironically, this same society is unable to accept that a man chooses polygyny, in which women maintain a dignified and honorable position in society and lead stable lives.


    There are more women than men in many African and Asian countries, as well as in our Western countries. In
    India, more than one million female fetuses are aborted every year and due to the high rate of female infanticide, the female population is smaller than that of men. If they stop practicing this evil, in a few decades the male population will be lower than the female population.

    Forcing every man to marry only one woman is unrealistic. And even if every man married a woman, there would be millions left without a husband.
    Great Britain has 4,000,000 more women than men, not counting homosexuals.
    Germany has 5,000,000 more women than men. The United States has 7,800,000 more women than men, in New York there are 1,000,000 more women than men, a third of men in the
    New York population are gay, that is ie sodomite. So if all the men would marry there would still be 7,800,000 who could not have a husband, on top of that, in the society of men in the United States, there are 25,000,000 sodomite men, these men obviously do not wish to marry a woman, so there are still 25,000,000 women who cannot find a husband. In
    Russia there are 7,000,000 more women than men. Without counting the men in prison and the men who simply cannot afford to get married. And only God knows how many more women there are really than men in the world
    شاب بريطاني يعتنق الإسلام على يد محمد حجاب


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpuKs1EKr8&t=1s

    2/2 عائلة الآلهة! منصور وهاشم في حوار مع مسيحي الجزء الثاني


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOtC3s6wkdE&t=34s

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    حوار بين فتاة أمريكية معجبة بشخصية رسول الله والداعية حمزة ابداع
    How to Understand Quran if we don't know Arabic as a Language by Dr Zakir Naik
    Is it Compulsory to Learn Arabic Language to Understand the Quran? - Dr Zakir Naik
    زائر يحاول أثناء شاب عن اعتناق الإسلام مع منصور

    لماذا تستنجون بورق المرحاض وليس بالماء؟ - حوار منصور مع ملحدين

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT7wSQNoT0o


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