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    four wives

    The religion of Islam was revealed for all societies and all times and so accommodates widely differing social requirements.

    Circumstances may warrant the taking of another wife but the right is granted according to the Quran, only on condition that the husband is scrupulously fair. No woman can be forced into this kind of marriage if they do not wish it, and they also have the right to exclude it in their marriage contract.

    Polygamy is neither mandatory nor encouraged but merely permitted. Images of "sheikhs with harems" are not consistent with Islam, as a man is only allowed at most four wives only if he can fulfill the stringent conditions of treating each fairly and providing each with separate housing etc.

    permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion.It is rather associated with compassion toward widows and orphans. It was the Quran that limited and put conditions on the practice of polygamy among the Arabs who had as many as ten or more wives and considered them "property".

    It is both honest and accurate to say that it is Islam that regulated this practice, limited it, made it more humane, and instituted equal rights and status for all wives. What the Qur'anic decrees amount to taken together is discouragement of polygamy unless necessity for it exists. It is also evident that the general rule in Islam is monogamy and not polygamy.

    It is a very tiny percentage of Muslims that practice it over the world. However permission to practice limited polygamy is only consistent with Islam's realistic view of the nature of man and woman and of various social needs, problems and cultural variations.

    The question is however far more than the inherent flexibility of Islam it also is the frank and straight forward approach of Islam in dealing with practical problems. Rather than requiring hypocritical and superficial compliance, Islam delves deeper into the problems of individuals and societies, and provides for legitimate and clean solutions which are far more beneficial than would be the case if they were ignored. There is no doubt that the second wife legally married and treated kindly is better off than a mistress without any legal rights or expermanence.
    ركن المتحدثين الداعية محمد حجاب و زائرين فى الهايد

    بارك مترجم

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEcLgX8EL4E&t=79s


    Why Polygamy is Allowed In Islam. - Dr Zakir Naik - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2bDkw57xRE


    Islam, Women's Rights and Polygamy - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQQyW3MHyvs

    Woman Challenging Zakir Naik on Polygamy - YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQaPBU5ppsk

    why muslims have four wifes polygamy in islam.flv - YouTube
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    Do Muslims are a barbaric, backward people?

    Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was thesimplicity of its doctrine-Islam calls for faith in only one God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.

    Within a few years great civilizations and universities were flourishing, for according to the Prophet (pbuh), 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and woman'.

    The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature and history.

    Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics) were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps.

    The Islamic roots of European civilization and the construction of the 'European identity'

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    Historian Bettany Hughes presents a picture of Islamic civilization in Spain and the impact that this civilization had on the development of modern Europe. Hughes also indicates how the 'European identity' was artificially constructed by the Islamic origin of the acquired civilization "ethnically cleanse", to erase.

    This false, ethnically purified image of Europe is unfortunately currently used for the Muslims to deny any contribution to European civilization and even enemies of civilization to label them.

    History of the Moorish Empire in Europe

    Infrastructure
    The Andalusia in the 10th century, tells mp Scott, was crossed in all directions by awesome aqueducts. Cordoba was a city of fountains, roads were miles long brightly lit, paved, well maintained and regularly visited by security patrols.

    For comparison: in London there were no paved streets until the 14th century, at night the city was plunged into blackness. It took until the reign of Charles II (in the 17th century) that even poorly active street lighting was installed in London.

    Demography
    On the death of Elizabeth England had about 4 million inhabitants. The population of Islamic Spain may have been over 30 million. No less six centuries earlier In London in 1700, was the most populous city in Christian Europe, only half the size of Cordoba in the year 900, and Almeria and Seville each had a population as large as the British capital 800 years later. (...)

    Hygiene
    In the middle of the 10th century there were 900 public baths built in the capital of Moorish Spain, in the 18th century there were not even so much in all the countries of Christian Europe together. (...) The fatal effects of the plague are convincing evidence of the appalling hygienic conditions that prevailed everywhere. The water was removed from the polluted river or from sources that stank of dirt. (...)

    Science
    Nothing illustrates the contrast in terms of science better than the importance attached to books. Scott let us know that the library Mostandir, the sultan of Egypt, 800 thousand books housed. The library of Tripoli contained 200 thousand. When Baghdad was destroyed by the Mongols in the 13th century, books were thrown into the Tigris covered the entire river, and colored water of the black ink, while an even larger share went up in flames. The caliphate of Spain had 70 public book collections, and alone the large library of Al-Hakam II contained 600 thousand books. Many private collections were correspondingly large, that of Ibn al-Mathran, the personal physician to Saladin, contained 10 thousand manuscripts.

    Four centuries later, there were only books in Christian Europe, except those were kept in monasteries. The royal library of France contained 900 books, of which two-thirds was theological content. (...)

    Education
    In Muslim countries it was difficult to even come who could not read and write. Against a farmer In the same time allowed many senior people in Europe not say this of himself.
    علماء يعرفهم العالم Muslim-Arab scientists
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtpnzx52Tk

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    Do Muslims believe in Jesus and other prophets?

    Muslims respect and revere Jesus, upon him be peace, and await his Second Coming.They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind.

    A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Jesus', but always adds the phrase 'upon him be peace' (abbreviated as (u) here).The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation.The Quran describes the Annunciation as follows:

    "Behold!" the Angel said, "God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations.O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?" He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it "Be!" and it is" (Quran 3:42-47)

    Jesus (u) was born miraculously through the same power, which had brought Adam (u) into being without a father:

    "Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (Quran3:59)

    During his prophetic mission Jesus (u) performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said:

    "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave."

    (Quran3:49)

    Neither Muhammad (pbuh) not Jesus (u) came to change the basic doctrine of the brief in One God brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus (u) is reported as saying that he came:

    "To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey Me". (Quran3:50)

    The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

    "Whoever believes there is no god but God, alone without partner that Muhammad (pbuh) is His messenger, that Jesus is the servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanatin from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven." (Hadith related by Bukhari).

    What do Muslims Really Believe about Jesus? - Joshua ...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjKWxMHKoUI

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    Islam's Cornerstone is Following blindly?!



    Many people allege that Muslims blindly follow what is said to them without thinking. Is this really true?!



    In a book called, Islam in focus, Dr. Hammudah Abd al Ati writes:



    True Muslims believe that faith is not complete when it is followed blindly or accepted unquestioningly unless the believer is reasonably satisfied. If faith is to inspire action, and if faith and action are to lead to salvation, then faith must be founded on unshakeable conviction without any deception or compulsion.In other words, the person who calls himself a Muslim because of his family traditions, or accepts Islam under correction or by blind imitation is not a complete Muslim in the sight of God.



    A Muslim must build his faith on well-grounded convictions beyond any reasonable doubt and above certainty. If he is not certain about his faith, he is invited by God to search in the open book of nature, to use his reasoning powers, and to reflect on the teachings of the Qur'an. He must search for the indisputable truth until he finds it, and he will certainly finds it, if he is capable and serious enough.

    And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing." Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided? (Qur'an 2:170)



    This is why Islam demands sound convictions and opposes blind imitation. Every person who is duly qualified as a genuine and an earnest thinker is enjoined by Islam to employ his facilities to the fullest extent.

    But if a person is unqualified or uncertain of himself, he should pursue his thinking only as far as his limits can take him. It will be quite in order for such a person to rely on any authentic sources of religion, which are sufficient in themselves, without applying to them any critical questioning of which he is incapable.

    The point is that no one call himself a true Muslim unless his faith is based on strong convictions and freedom of choice, it cannot be forced upon any body, for God will not accept his forced faith. Nor will He consider it true Islam if it is not developed from within or originate from free and sound convections.

    And because Islam ensures freedom of belief, many non-Muslim groups lived and still live in Muslim countries enjoying full freedom of belief and conscience. Muslims take this attitude because Islam forbids compulsion in religion. It is the light which must radiate from within, because freedom of choice is the cornerstone of responsibility.



    This does not exempt the parents from responsibility for their children. Nor does it condone their being indifferent to the spiritual welfare of their dependants. In fact, they must do everything possible to help them build a strong, and inspiring faith.

    To establish faith on sound grounds, there are various parallel avenues. There is the spiritual approach which is based mainly on the Qur'an and the Traditions of Muhammad, peace be upon him. There is also the rational approach which eventually leads to faith in the Supreme Being. This is not to say that the spiritual approach lacks sound rationality. Nor is the rational approach lacking in inspiring spirituality. Both approaches, in fact, they complement one another and may well come together in a lively interaction.


    Now if someone is sufficiently equipped with sound rational qualities, one may resort to the rational approach or the spiritual approach or both, and may be confident that his/her conclusion will be right. But if one is incapable of profound inquiry or is uncertain of one's reasoning powers, one may confine oneself to the spiritual approach and be contented with the knowledge he/she can derive from the authentic sources of religion.

    The point is that whether one uses the spiritual approach or the rational technique or both, one will in the end come to faith in God. All these avenues are equally important and accepted by Islam, and when properly channeled, lead to the same end, namely faith in the Supreme Being:

    O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book. By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darkness into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path. (Qur'an 5: 15-16)


    قصة قصيرة عن الرجل الغني و سائقه والسيارة - معبرة - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M49qL9GXo1M
    هل العلاج الروحي ينقذك من الامراض ؟ ذاكر نايك يرد على معالج روحي
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XncLhJIspIs
    نادر جداً - محمد علي كلاي و درس في فن الدعوة
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3qKbcYoTU

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    فتاة مسيحية تعتنق الاسلام و تبكي مع الداعيه شمسي مترجم
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTA91jyvKo&t=4s

    الداعيه شمسي يشرح لشاب مسيحي محمد في الانجيل مترحم new

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUE0WIrFxio&t=9s


    صبي يعتنق الاسلام مع الداعية شمسي مترجم ||||| الهايد بارك

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nReeloqdKMY&t=109s



    شاب يسال ذاكر نايك لماذا نقلد النبي محمد | مترجم
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerRxBEyfR0&t=31s

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    You have claimed that the Biblical references to killing are sometimes metaphorical; but the Quranic commands are literal. This is a moot point; and for the time being, by citing examples from the Old Testament where killing on a large scale has been done with the help and guidance of Jehovah or Yahweh.



    Read the Book of Joshua, Chapters 8 to 11. About four chapters speak of nothing but killing, killing, killing and again killing, as commanded by Yahweh. I quote just the last part of Joshua Chapter 10:

    30: and the LORD gave it also and its king into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it; he left none remaining in it; and he did to its king as he had done to the king of Jericho.
    31: And Joshua passed on from Libnah, and all Israel with him, to Lachish, and laid siege to it, and assaulted it:


    32: and the LORD gave Lachish into the hand of Israel, and he took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah.
    33: Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he left none remaining.
    34: And Joshua passed on with all Israel from Lachish to Eglon; and they laid siege to it, and assaulted it;
    35: and they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword; and every person in it he utterly destroyed that day, as he had done to Lachish.


    36: Then Joshua went up with all Israel from Eglon to Hebron; and they assaulted it,
    37: and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and its king and its towns, and every person in it; he left none remaining, as he had done to Eglon, and utterly destroyed it with every person in it.
    38: Then Joshua, with all Israel, turned back to Debir and assaulted it,
    39: and he took it with its king and all its towns; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person in it; he left none remaining; as he had done to Hebron and to Libnah and its king, so he did to Debir and to its king.
    40: So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.



    I understand that 'he left none remaining' means, Joshua killed the men, the women and the kids—even babies. At the command of Yahweh.

    And we read this in the Book of Isaiah:

    [Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.] (Isaiah 13:15-16)

    Here we see how the Bible tells of God's commands to fight and kill.

    In the New Testament, Jesus Christ is quoted as saying that he had come to bring the sword, to "set father against son and mother against daughter" (Luke 12:53) and called on his followers to kill: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me" (Luke 19:27).

    You can see that the parable comes to an end with the previous verse, namely Luke 19:26: "For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him."

    It was after this that we find these verses: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

    It is clear that he did not want his disciples to put this into effect immediately. And
    certainly the mission of Jesus in those days did not include fighting, nor was he prepared for it. But it would be naive to say that Jesus did not know the role of wars in the history of humanity. He certainly knew the Law of Moses and the significance of fighting in Jewish history. Didn't he know that the Law of Moses taught the philosophy of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? And yet what did he say of the Law?

    [Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled...] (Matthew 5: 17, 18).

    And from the manner in which he drove out the money changers in the Jerusalem Temple (John 2: 13-15), it is clear that he did not completely rule out the use of force, in establishing peace on earth.

    The question is how did the Christians interpret the words of Jesus in their practical life? Most assuredly the import of the parable (quoted above) was not lost upon the Christians of the later centuries. If we examine the history of Christianity, we see the above words of Jesus have been enacted in bloody reality many times - starting when an important political rebellion against the Roman Catholic Church took on a religious slant - leading to the split in European Christendom between Catholic and Protestant. This split sparked off a series of religious wars which were ultimately to be responsible for the death of nearly a third of the entire White race.

    If we argue that the essential message of Jesus is "turning the other cheek" even in the face of the worst provocation, then we have to admit that Jesus' avowed followers have belied his teaching repeatedly. Even when their tongues call Jesus "the Prince of Peace", weapons of mass destruction are being forged in their backyards to massacre the non-Christians. Every time a Christian bomb tears apart the limbs of an Iraqi man, woman or child in Baghdad or Fallujah, Christ's teaching is proved to be null and void. It is funny to hear the Christians blaming Muslims for taking up weapons while they themselves had exploded two Christian atom bombs that killed millions; and theirs is the monopoly of manufacturing, distributing and using the most horrible weapons ever made by the hand of man - the followers of the Prince of Peace indeed!

    The Quran is a continuation and completion of the earlier scriptures like the Torah and the Gospel; and the mission of Muhammad was a reconciliation between the harsh Law of Moses and the non-violent Gospel of Jesus. Consider this Muslim idea in the light of Islam's acceptance of Moses and Jesus as prophets of God and their books as God-given scriptures. Muhammad never claimed that he was preaching a new religion: he said that his mission can be compared to a brick; the last brick needed to complete the construction of a building. All the prophets—indeed thousands of them—had preached the Religion of God before, and every prophet had a mission to fulfill. And when the time was ripe the Last Prophet came and completed the Religion of God.

    The Quran has said what means:

    {So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates…} (Muhammad 47:4)

    The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence. After thirteen years of endurance and patience, the prophet and his companions had to leave their home town of Makkah and to emigrate to Madinah. When the people of Madinah had welcomed him there and he was accepted as a leader there, the Makkans became unhappy. They wanted to eliminate Muhammad and his religion; and so they sent their army to root out Islam. And the crucial battle took place in Badr. It was just before this that Muhammad received the revelation from God to fight:

    {And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

    This meant that the Prophet and his companions were not to start the fighting; but to defend themselves against aggressors. That was how fighting was ordained; but we must know that once we fight, we fight to defeat the aggressors, so that we can live without fear of molestation and invasion; so that we can live in peace; so that justice is done. Remember God does not command any one to start fighting; rather He permits people to fight in self defense or for the defense of those who are attacked unjustly.

    All the passages in the Quran referring to fighting have been revealed in the context of the threats of battles from the enemies of Truth and Justice. And when you are told to fight, you are commanded to fight on till justice is established; till the criminals are brought to book, till Peace can prevail.

    When DU bombs are dropped from a height of 30,000 ft, how can you turn the other cheek? By their invasions and occupations, people whom Muslims see as representing Christians have been proving Jesus' message of Peace irrelevant and meaningless in the world of reality. And then they quote Jesus and ask Muslims not to resist them while they go on brutally maiming and massacring people and demolishing their mosques!


    نا أريد إعتناق الاسلام ولكن ؟ يوشع ايفانز مترجم

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhmQPKfaP0&t=56s

    حوار رائع وهادئ بين هاشم وفتاة دانماركية مسيحية
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q8ZTGgJuD0
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    Is the real purpose to criticize the marriage of young girls, or distorting the imageof Prophet Mohammed?

    Most of western people are astonished when they realized that Prophet Mohammed, peace and blessing be upon him, married a nine- year old child when he was fifty years old, neglecting that marriage in such age was a natural matter, therefore it is clear that they are not criticizing the early marriage of a nine- year-old as much as they are keen to criticize and distort the image of the Prophet of Islam; this unveils their false human feeling under the pretext of defending the rights of Islam.

    If they are not so, they should have spoken about such marriage as a general phenomena, before and after Islam.

    If such Marriage was strange, then why didn't the disbelievers of Quraish use it as a pretext against Mohammed?

    Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was born in a society in which early marriage was something normal. Moreover, his enemies, who tried to kill him, didn't use such marriage as a pretext to distort his picture. Thus, marrying girls in such society is normal.

    Quran recorded their claims, but Quran didn't say anything about this misconception and other prophets "Even so there came no messenger unto those before them but they said: A wizard or a madman!" (Quran 51: 52)

    Did they know the marriage age in Judaism? All those claim should also focus on the stipulation of the Jewish religion which allowed marrying a girl of three years and one day!! The old testament narrated the story of the marriage of Isaac from Refka while she was just three years old. (Genesis 17: 17) and (Genesis 25: 20) The 55 th commandment of Sanhedrin stated: "A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition." The 11 th commandment of Talmud Khathboth mentioned: "The sexual intercourse between an adult man and a young girl is something ordinary." While their book permit to marry one- day old, they criticize a man marry 9- year- old- child. Absolutely, you are a double person standard.

    The new testament recorded that David, peace and blessing be upon him, when he was very old, he married a young virgin child. Did David (PBUH) commit this rape by your judgment?

    Europe also allows marrying young ladies; the marriage in early age was prevailing in Europe itself, especially the early marriage of kings and rulers in the 12th century; for example, according to (William of Tyre), Anias was just eight years old when she reached Constantine while Alexis was thirteen years old (2). Moreover, the wife of Alexis kimonos I was twelve years old when she married and became an empress before attaining fifteen years. As for the empress of Byzantium "Theodora" the wife of Manwel, she was thirteen years old when she married the prince of Jerusalem "Baldwin iii"; moreover, "Margret Maria Hingaria" married "Izak Anglos ii" when she was nine years.



    The age of consent in most countries all over the world, if we look at the current era i.e. after 14 centuries from the marriage of the prophet from Lady Aisha. AVERT, is an international charity based on UK and was interested in studying HIV/ AIDS diseases as she wants to prevent such diseases, mentioned a detailed table in its website about the age of the contest i.e. the legal age of practicing the sexual intercourse worldwide. For example,

    the age of consent in Mexico is 12 years
    while in Spain, Cyprus, south Korea, the age of contest is 13 years
    Bolivia, the sexual age is the maturity age. http://www.avert.org/age-sexual-consent.htm

    Is it logical to judge a marriage case that took place before 1400 years under the laws of the 21 th century. Do you know that Lady Aisha was engaged before marrying Prophet Mohammed, thus it is normal. Therefore, he did not marry his wife for lust or worldly desires. If Prophet Mohammed, peace and blessing be upon him, had married for his lust, whims, and desires, why wouldn't he have married many virgin and young ladies? If you look for the Prophet's marriages, you will find that he didn't marry a virgin except Aisha! How come for a lusty man as you claim to marry a single virgin among his wives!

    زواج الرسول من عائشة::حقائق وإحصائيات::مترجم عربي::3/1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD4AE16O2NU

    زواج الرسول من عائشة::حقائق وإحصائيات::مترجم عربي::3/2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3z9Fxgx5PM


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvsGPpwMXU0


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