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    Since Jesus failed many Messianic prophecies there are some he couldn't

    fulfill by returning ? The only Messianic prophecy fulfilled by Jesus was being a Jew.
    Well there are some he is supposedly to accomplish by his second coming. But there are some problems with that :

    1- All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12) What if someone like Hitler tries to exterminate all Jews and succeeds or some kind of disease kills all Jews ? There will not be any Israelite to gather.

    2- The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11). Imagine if somehow all Jews die before he returns ?

    3-Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33) What if there isn't a single Jew in the World.

    4-The Messiah will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2) Since Jesus was God ? And even broke the Law in (Mark 7:18-20) so he isn't that observant.

    Other question is since Jesus is not the Messiah is he a Prophet ?

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    Jesus is not failed, He has half of Human population around the world

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    PROPHECIES REGARDING THE MESSIAH
    EVENT PROPHECY FULFILLMENT
    Born of the tribe of Judah Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:23-33
    Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-25
    Descended from King David Isaiah 9:7 Matthew 1:1, 6-17
    Declared by Jehovah to be
    his Son Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17
    Not believed in
    Isaiah 53:1 John 12:37, 38
    Entered Jerusalem riding an ass Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 21:1-9
    Betrayed by a close associate Psalm 41:9 John 13:18, 21-30
    Betrayed for 30 silver pieces Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:14-16
    Silent before his accusers Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 27:11-14
    Lots cast for his garments Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35

    There are two Israels. One literal and one symbolic. There are also two Jerusalems. One literal and one symbolic.

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Please play again.

    What you are quoting are conditional prophecies. Next time read the entire prophecy as to what the Jews part was in these prophecies.

    These prophecies were never fulfilled and never will be because the Jews were rejected by God because of disobedience and He chose another people to do His work. Read all of Isaiah 65 particularly verse 15. " You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse; the sovereign Lord will put you to death, but to His servants He will give another name."

    As for the prophecies of Isaiah 11 Jesus fulfilled them in every detail. It is true that Jesus broke the satanic law of the Jews. How do we know it was satanic? Any law that ends with the sacrifice of a human is satanic. Read the last chapter of Leviticus.

    One of your own major prophets said that much of the Bible was written by dishonest scribes, Jeremiah 8:8. What allowance do you make for this dishonesty in your studies?

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    Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies but not all has been completed yet.

    The Israel of the OT and the "Israel of Go" of the NT was a supplantation of Jews into God's new covenant. When the Jewish people said "we have no God but Caesar" and approved of the killing of Jesus - Jesus said" "Your house has been abandoned to you". The nation of Israel are no longer God's people but those who exercise faith in the Messiah - Jesus Christ - are "spiritual Israelites". No people out of every "tribe, nation and tongue" can become "reconciled to God through Christ". So many of the OT prophecies that SEEM to be talking about fleshly Israel will be fulfilled in "spiritual Israel" the Christian congregation made up of people of all races.

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    There's absolutely nothing in the Old Testament about a "second coming" for the Messiah to finish fulfilling the prophecies. Early Christian clerics simply made that up.

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    Prophecies Jesus Fulfilled
    44 Prophecies Jesus Christ Fulfilled
    Prophecies About JesusOld Testament
    ScriptureNew Testament
    Fulfillment
    1Messiah would be born of a woman.Genesis 3:15Matthew 1:20
    Galatians 4:4
    2Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.Micah 5:2Matthew 2:1
    Luke 2:4-6
    3Messiah would be born of a virgin.Isaiah 7:14Matthew 1:22-23
    Luke 1:26-31
    4Messiah would come from the line of Abraham.Genesis 12:3
    Genesis 22:18Matthew 1:1
    Romans 9:5
    5Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac.Genesis 17:19
    Genesis 21:12Luke 3:34
    6Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob.Numbers 24:17Matthew 1:2
    7Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.Genesis 49:10Luke 3:33
    Hebrews 7:14
    8Messiah would be heir to King David's throne.2 Samuel 7:12-13
    Isaiah 9:7Luke 1:32-33
    Romans 1:3
    9Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal.Psalm 45:6-7
    Daniel 2:44Luke 1:33
    Hebrews 1:8-12
    10Messiah would be called Immanuel.Isaiah 7:14Matthew 1:23
    11Messiah would spend a season in Egypt.Hosea 11:1Matthew 2:14-15
    12A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace.Jeremiah 31:15Matthew 2:16-18
    13A messenger would prepare the way for MessiahIsaiah 40:3-5Luke 3:3-6
    14Messiah would be rejected by his own people.Psalm 69:8
    Isaiah 53:3John 1:11
    John 7:5
    15Messiah would be a prophet.Deuteronomy 18:15Acts 3:20-22
    16Messiah would be preceded by Elijah.Malachi 4:5-6Matthew 11:13-14
    17Messiah would be declared the Son of God.Psalm 2:7Matthew 3:16-17
    18Messiah would be called a Nazarene.Isaiah 11:1Matthew 2:23
    19Messiah would bring light to Galilee.Isaiah 9:1-2Matthew 4:13-16
    20Messiah would speak in parables.Psalm 78:2-4
    Isaiah 6:9-10Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35
    21Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted.Isaiah 61:1-2Luke 4:18-19
    22Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek.Psalm 110:4Hebrews 5:5-6
    23Messiah would be called King.Psalm 2:6
    Zechariah 9:9Matthew 27:37
    Mark 11:7-11
    24Messiah would be praised by little children.Psalm 8:2Matthew 21:16
    25Messiah would be betrayed.Psalm 41:9
    Zechariah 11:12-13Luke 22:47-48
    Matthew 26:14-16
    26Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field.Zechariah 11:12-13Matthew 27:9-10
    27Messiah would be falsely accused.Psalm 35:11Mark 14:57-58
    28Messiah would be silent before his accusers.Isaiah 53:7Mark 15:4-5
    29Messiah would be spat upon and struck.Isaiah 50:6Matthew 26:67
    30Messiah would be hated without cause.Psalm 35:19
    Psalm 69:4John 15:24-25
    31Messiah would be crucified with criminals.Isaiah 53:12Matthew 27:38
    Mark 15:27-28
    32Messiah would be given vinegar to drink.Psalm 69:21Matthew 27:34
    John 19:28-30
    33Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.Psalm 22:16
    Zechariah 12:10John 20:25-27
    34Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed.Psalm 22:7-8Luke 23:35
    35Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments.Psalm 22:18Luke 23:34
    Matthew 27:35-36
    36Messiah's bones would not be broken.Exodus 12:46
    Psalm 34:20John 19:33-36
    37Messiah would be forsaken by God.Psalm 22:1Matthew 27:46
    38Messiah would pray for his enemies.Psalm 109:4Luke 23:34
    39Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side.Zechariah 12:10John 19:34
    40Messiah would be buried with the rich.Isaiah 53:9Matthew 27:57-60
    41Messiah would resurrect from the dead.Psalm 16:10
    Psalm 49:15Matthew 28:2-7
    Acts 2:22-32
    42Messiah would ascend to heaven.Psalm 24:7-10Mark 16:19
    Luke 24:51
    43Messiah would be seated at God's right hand.Psalm 68:18
    Psalm 110:1Mark 16:19
    Matthew 22:44
    44Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin.Isaiah 53:5-12Romans 5:6-8

    As for all your what ifs, they are just nonsense because God that called them to be is the one who keeps and has kept them until the end. If you can't read the Bible and find the answers for yourself just do a Google search as others have already done the work and set it down for all to read and know, God Bless You.

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    God had a special relationship/covenant with the Israelites but despite his continued loyal patience they rebelled constantly. They were disowned by God when they rejected Jesus as his son. The bible says he took out a people from the nations.

    That is, his special people or "Israel" became a spiritual israel, taken from all nations.

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    Sorry, but the opening premise/statement is in error. There are 351 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus from the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible.
    Here's a list: http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

    -www.TovRose.com

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    He fulfilled none.

    Jose's list is cracking me up. He will be born of a woman? Really? I think we all have that one covered. I mean if you start out a list with that as "this proves he was the messiah" then there is no point to go on LOL.

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    I also love the citations of "nt" sources. You do realize the "nt" was written AFTER he apparently died so not really hard to make a prophecy about something that already happened. I make a prophecy that Barack Obama will be re-elected. OMG! I am good! See, it's like that.
    I looked up some of the others that you are citing to see if I could even remotely get that out of what you said. I have no idea where you come up with this stuff.

    @brothertucker-Really?! Isaiah...that gets so old. He is talking about Israel as is clear from the verb usage. I am guessing you have never studied Hebrew have you? Satanic law of the Jew? We don't believe in satan. Jeremiah was saying future scribes that is.......those who interpret the Torah falsely would be dishonest....as we use the same Torah we have always used, that CANNOT mean Jews so you need a look a little closer to home for that one dude. You guys already REALLY don't read things in context, do you? You also really have a hatred for Jews don't you. What Jew pissed in your Cheerios?


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