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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    I think much more research should be done before any conclusions are drawn.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    The main one being that there isn't much money to be made in amateur offtopic.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    Yeah, I suppose what I'm getting at is the absurdity of the idea that there are ex-offtopic fighters out there saying.

    "I had no job, no friends, piles of debt; so in my desperation I did the only thing I could do... I became a professional offtopic fighter."

    Porn can often be "easy money for the desperate" that later on has negative psychological ramifications and offtopic can't really do that because you need to be so well trained for it. An offtopic fighter steps into the ring after taking considerable mental and physical preparations so its very difficult to accidentally blunder your way into an offtopic career that you soon come to regret.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    I dont think its a fair comparison to be honest. offtopic arent showing people as sex objects. There is not s history behind it where men are being sexualized, like it is with women and porn.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    If we're talking about objectification, which is quite different to exploitation, I don't think sex is the issue. Objectification is any case where you in-appropriately strip an individual of their autonomy and it is quite a sliding scale.

    I objectify my shop-keeper when I fail to think about whether he "wants" me to pay by card; and that isn't too much of a problem. If I objectify someone in the sense that I pay little, or no, attention to whether they "want" me touch their crotch... then we start getting into some more dangerous territory.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    I just think it simply does not follow. The exploitation and objectification that is a history behind pr0n and prostitution - thats another one - simply isnt like anything like in martial arts. It doesnt figure.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    Oh yeah, the connection between the two activities outside of the implicit voyeurism is tenuous at best.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    It is in man's nature to be violent, a controlled sitation is better than not but to want to test ourselves is part of being a man and even woman. I'm not sure about the porn side of it. We are sexual beings of course, and I suppose that one could consider porn a "controlled" situation where there at least isn't disease. However I don't see a whole lot of ways to compare the 2.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    Personally I'm kinda stunned that nobody is concerned about the men who are involved in porn. Why is it such a bad thing women are involved? Why do we question the woman's ability to consent and not the men's?

    I'm guessing this is another one of those issue championed by some bra-burning yahoo who insists all women adopt their values in the name of female liberation, freedom and empowerment. There's also likely a book on the subject.

    The porn industry is made up of a lot of different people who found themselves working in that industry for many different reasons. Without doubt some are being taken advantage of. But then again Foxxcon's factories in China where Apple products are made don't exactly have a stellar record either.

    Some of the most vocal voices that speak out against pornography are those of religious leaders. Pornography is a symbol of everything they oppose. So it's natural they should seek to attack it and destroy it. Of course the sexual exploitation of women and men and boys and girls will still continue. Because there are people in the world who seek to do these things.

    I also sometimes think pornography wouldn't be such a big deal if we were a more openly sexual society. By that I mean if we stopped pretending sex was bad or dirty in some way immoral. Perhaps we'd also then get the STD epidemic under control. Because then we could make people aware of these issues more openly.

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    "Consent" in pornography: an analogy with combat sports

    People don't seem to feel as sorry for the men IMO because many girls are very young that get into that. At 18 and getting into an industry that uses them for their youth and less flaws than older women is easy because when you're 18, hey.. you have sex and make money so a lot of young girls would want to be into that.

    Honestly though the music industry, and many others do the same thing, maybe not with sex, but young kids both get used. Military? Well much better cause IMO, but still is similiar in the sense that you have to get those kids young before the frontal lobes develop and they start to lose their nerve before they are trained.


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