Blah, blah, blah. Prove some divinity, buddy, or your point is moot.
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Blah, blah, blah. Prove some divinity, buddy, or your point is moot.
I do believe that he was a real person and a teacher. I just don't believe what people wrote about him years after his death...and that includes the "secular historians that wrote about him" that weren't even born until decades and centuries after he died.
If he wants me to believe that he is "Lord", then he can reveal himself to me personally. I don't take the word of humans that existed 2000yrs ago.
Psa 14:1 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. THE fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.
Most biblical scholars agree he existed but nearly none of them think he was any sort of god-man. Why? Because there is no such thing as god-men.
We simply don't have accurate information on what he may have said. All the accounts were written by non-eyewitnesses decades after the events were supposed to have happened. At that point, he was the central figure in a legend that someone else (primarily Paul) invented.
I'm not about to build my life around a legend. I prefer reality.
A question like reveals that you have never ever taken any jr college, university or grad school course in History of the Bible nor History of Christianity... the first 300 years.
As the most important book ever written, why not?
Have you never ever been curious as to how we got those four Gospels, and not the other 10 or 12 that were being read as well before 360 CE?
Have you never ever read those four in parallel, rather than one after the other, and noticed how different they are?
And have you never noticed that there is not one first person sentence about Jesus...nothing like,
When Jesus and I were walking to the city of.................."
or
"When Jesus told ME that when we were........."
Nothing like this ever ever ever occur to you?
Why not?
I love you folk who just take any holy book and shout from the highest hill that you and you alone have proof...........................And every one of you claim you have the right one. Duhhhhh
Lots of people choose to ignore the history, and also make up stories about the Bible books (like Paul did not actually believe in a real Jesus!).
Blind leaders of the blind.
No secular historians ever wrote about bible jesus.
There are no "existing facts" about bible jesus.
There are NO eyewitness accounts of bible jesus, not one (not the gospels, either).
And C.S. Lewis' ridiculous claim isn't worth quoting -- if you spent a moment and actually thought about it, you'd realize it's a false dichotomy, and he left out the most likely (and most obvious) alternative: the bible stories about magic jesus are entirely made up. Then you don't have to worry about whether he was a liar, a nut, or a god-man.
Peace.
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