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    They mean exactly what they state. Actually, no human has ever seen God (the Father) face to face. Jesus was God in human form and obviously, thousands have seen Him during His 3 1/2 year ministry on earth. Jacob was referring to an angelic being since God the Father never came to the earth. God used Angels [messengers] to speak His will. God is composed of spirit and cannot be seen with human eyes. The term "fear" means a healthy respect - not in trepidation. "Perfect[ed] love, casts out all fear". You need to understand background before jumping to conclusions, as you have obviously done here.

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    lol, the guys who made the bible didn't hav editors by the looks of it. loving and fearing something sounds a bit opressive to me, like "love me and think i exsist or i make u suffer for eternity!"

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    Speaking as an Atheist: I wouldn't expect an infinite Being (such as God) to be able to express Himself fully in any human language without at least a handful of apparent inconsistencies.

    Think of the double slit experiment: if physics itself is anomalous, God must be moreso.

    Any Scripture which is entirely without apparent self-contradiction either:

    #1: is incomplete (the ineffable part of God has been avoided); or

    #2: is not about a transcendent Being at all.

    ....

    You believe that all of your god can be put in a Book.

    This is because your god is small enough.

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    The problem with taking the Bible as fact, is that versions were written and re-written over time. Often with political influence and goals.

    A good example is the fact that Mary Magdalene was first portrayed as a prostitue in the version authored by Pope Gregory in 800. His reasoning was to show that even prostitutes could find redemption.

    That's fine, but versions have been written to have people "serve their masters" yet "rebel against authority". One must take the literal writings and study them very carefully before committing to them.

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    I think oh noes, i have to read.

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    see, like we atheists keep saying, the Bible is self contradictory, and thank you for giving us proof to support it!

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    Well, they're not really "quotes"; they're extracts from a fictional book.

    Apparently a poorly edited fictional book, judging by the blatant contradictions.

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    I think they are in the bible.

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    They obviously didn't write a draft before publishing the Bible or they would've caught those beforehand.

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    I guess I would ask, what do you think all of these passages (which span 1400 years of humanity's experience with God) mean to you?

    If you're taking them out of context to prove the Bible contradicts itself then: FAIL (and take a theology class).


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