Houda

Doesnt Judaism say that in order for Jews to have their own state, the Messiah must come? But Jews reject Jesus as Messiah.

So how can they have a state?
I am not concerned with what New testament says. I am concerned with what Judaism says. Judaism says Jews cannot live in a Jewish state until Messiah has arrived. Jews do not believe Messiah has arrived, so how can there be a Jewish state?

Goddess of Toblerone

well jesus has nothing to do with it. and yes indeed in order for israel to be reinstated, god is supposed to do it himself, and god hasnt come yet, so many seriously orthodox jews are anti zionist.

Boomerang

There's a tiny sect of Judaism (Neturei Karta) who believes so, most don't.

bassmasta91

Are you kidding me. There is a whole thing about the messiah but Israel doesnt go against Judaism. The jews not having Israel would go against Judaism. Israel was promised to the Jews. There is no against Judaism on that matter.

discord71

No, that's not what the Bible says..

Jeremiah 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

31:2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

31:5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

31:6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.

31:7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

31:8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Israel is there because God wants it there...

This is not New Testament, it is the Old...

Ocean

That's why many Orthodox Jews are against Zionism.